Rudy Giuliani told Justice Department agents it was fine to “throw a fake” while campaigning, according to a newly released transcript of a 2018 interview probing a suspected FBI leak of sensitive information to the former New York mayor.
Giuliani denied in the interview being leaked details by FBI agents of an investigation into then-Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton during the 2016 election — despite appearing to tease as such during appearances on Fox News at the time.
Instead, Giuliani claimed the “big surprise” he’d alluded to on the conservative network was a direct-to-camera speech from then-Republican candidate Donald Trump. Giuliani told the agents that in 2016, he’d been “best friend and companion and senior advisor to the campaign,” albeit in an unpaid role.
The transcript was obtained by the watchdog group Project on Government Oversight and published by The Washington Post on Wednesday.
In the interview, Giuliani’s then-law partner and counselor Marc Mukasey said that “in the heat of a political campaign, on television, I’m not saying Rudy necessarily, but everybody embellishes everything.”
“Oh, you could throw a fake,” said Giuliani, who would later become Trump’s personal attorney and chief promoter of his 2020 election lies.
“You’re under no obligation to tell the truth,” Mukasey added.
“You could throw a fake,” reiterated Giuliani.
Giuliani, reportedly out of money and getting no financial support from Trump, has been suspended from practicing law in New York and Washington, D.C. He’s under federal investigation, faces a $1.3 billion lawsuit and is now selling personalized videos on the Cameo website.
“Fake news, right?” asked one of the agents.
“Right,” replied Mukasey.
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